Fucking ethics
theguitarchitect:
The biggest thing I think the community gets wrong..understanding the difference between a "good" guy and a "nice" guy
FatherFate:
@minesweeper: Never said be a dickhead. Just found the post a bit ...*Yawn*
@obl: hehe..you think thats being a cunt ? cmon now..gentle words you must admit. hehe..the irony of it all you calling them bitches..you're funny... =)
Intuition:
Quote from: theguitarchitect on December 08, 2010, 11:54:48 PM
The biggest thing I think the community gets wrong..understanding the difference between a "good" guy and a "nice" guy
Great point. The community says being a nice guy doesn't get you laid and suddenly everyone's against having any nice guy traits, which is stupid.
I think the OP is doing a bit of KJing, but his points still make sense, eg:
"Use sex for good"? Err, we're not a religious brotherhood looking to liberate all womankind! Well maybe we are, but still! The reality is, people fuck because they like it. Why not just say that? Sex is ok, not bad not good just sex really. Enjoy it but don't idealise it, don't demean it etc. It is what it is!
"Do no harm"? Can't control it. You'll harm, and be harmed in life, even unintentionally. Get over it and get on with it. I guess how I would describe that is just do your best, and there's no need to lie to get what you want. Girls will open right up if you're straight up in some cases. Oh, and they'll talk more too. ::)
Yeah last point makes sense. Interesting posts, guys...
mindsweeper:
Thanks for calling me out as a KJ, it's a good way to make friends.
This post was based loosely around the book "the ethical slut" and was written as I was trying to figure out what part the community did, and sex continues to play in my life. The community is good in that it teaches young men that women crave sex, and many are just looking for the right offer. However, the material I've read and used, and the people I've been around share the implication that the man has to convince the woman to have sex, and normally in an ulterior manner.
When I first joined the community there was a real feeling of liberation and excitement, but I figured it would be healthier to take a new viewpoint and look at sex from an ethical standpoint. A strong sexual ethic makes for a strong frame - looking a girl directly in the eye and telling her "everyone deserves and craves good sex and that they shouldn't be judged for it" is powerful if you believe it - but it also fixes the issue that I saw in a lot of PUA's - the notion that girls can be "conquered", and they way many many men feel obliged to treat women like dirt after they've fucked them.
Take from this what you wish, but the intention was never to try and impress people.
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